businesses based on the government. >> fewer than 500 employees. >> exactly. you can fit all the ceos of firms in madison square garden. the rest of the businesses in the population of south carolina. you are talking roughly 18,000 people who run businesses more than 500 people. the millions of businesses that generally are having a very hard time. so, it's not a matter of bigness or smallness. ultimately, it should be those businesses that help sustain communities versus those that prey on them. >> congressman, it strikes me this has become a thing that is political can't. you are never going to get up in the well of the house and say i proudly bring before today this bill is that going to stick it to small businesses. i mean, but if you say this bill is going to be great for small businesses whether or not it's the case, you give it this kind of legitimacy. >> you are right on both counts, i'm not going to stick it to small businesses. but, you know, it's not a term in search of definition. it's a term to avoid definition. that's the deal. everybody wants to be quote, for business.